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ILISA Business :: RE: Let's Build a Portal

author: evan
Subject: don't see it
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:45 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 3

Amongst the field of web services, I cannot seem to find something that's got all those criteria. Google seems to fit most of them, and it integrates with the blog pretty good, but it falls down on aggregation, just like everything else. If we really need to take the ical feeds of others and smoosh them into our own feed, we may be out of luck. I haven't really looked at apps we could host ourselves, but no one's suggested anything so far.

I'm thinking that the easiest thing to do right now is to set up a separate calendar under our Google account, and just give access to someone from each of the other groups we want involved. It would mean a little double-posting on everyone's part, but event publicity requires plenty of that anyway.

I didn't know the info for any Google account we'd set up before, so I just made a new one. Someone let me know if we had a lot of info in any older account:
http://www.google.com/calendar/
l: ilistudents@gmail.com
p: fork3lift

ILISA Business :: RE: Let's Build a Portal

author: timschneider
Subject: Calendaring
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:18 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 3

I think figuring out the calendar situation is huge. If we do it right, it could be a real resource and definitely raise the visibility of our group. We've tried and discarded 30 boxes, and I think Eventful(?). As sexy as google calendar is, I think requiring people to have a gmail account to view it or contribute is antithetical to our ethic. There must be something out there that will do what we want.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what we want is:
-something 1-2 people can update
-visible by everyone
-exports an ical and rss feed
-imports other people's ical feeds (e.g. Inna's squadron program feed)
-looks stylish

This is no small feat.

ILISA Business :: RE: Let's Build a Portal

author: timschneider
Subject: Calendaring
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:17 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 3

I think figuring out the calendar situation is huge. If we do it right, it could be a real resource and definitely raise the visibility of our group. We've tried and discarded 30 boxes, and I think Eventful(?). As sexy as google calendar is, I think requiring people to have a gmail account to view it or contribute is antithetical to our ethic. There must be something out there that will do what we want.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what we want is:
-something 1-2 people can update
-visible by everyone
-exports an ical and rss feed
-imports other people's ical feeds (e.g. Inna's squadron program feed)
-looks stylish

This is no small feat.

ILISA Business :: Let's Build a Portal

author: evan
Subject: Let's Build a Portal
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:58 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 3

We have all these cool tools, and nowhere to put them, so it's time we built a toolbox. I know the idea of a portal conjures up visions of brightly-colored schwag for SuperInfoSite.com et al, but we could certainly benefit from a one-stop shop, and I'd like to start by getting an inventory of all the stuff we've got so far:

Blog (Wordpress)
Wiki (MediaWiki)
Forum (phpBB)
Calendar (Google Calendar or still 30boxes?)
NY InfoLaw calendar feed (Eventful)
Email list (NYU forum)
del.icio.us feed

I miss anything? Or is there any more tools we should bring in?
Anyone have favorite portal designs they think we should bogart?

ILISA Business :: RE: READING GROUP: We want your comments

author: isamuel
Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:44 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 3

Let me offer a few thoughts on moderation...

First of all, I'm in no way attached to the job. I fell into it, basically by default, and so if anyone else thinks they'd rather do it, they're welcome to the task. I do, though, think it's necessary, for a few reasons.

1. We want to encourage new members, especially next year with 1Ls--but it can often be difficult to come to a discussion group and speak for the first time if you're forced to verbally interject. The presence of a moderator allows for the shy to have their say, and it guarantees (as ol' Mike Wishnie used to say) that we're never lacking for "new voices."

2. A moderator also can help keep the discussion from fracturing into multiple sub-discussions with groups talking over each other. Which is good, I think. Everyone can hear everyone else that way.

Martin, your point is well-taken, in-depth discussion is good. I think this bulletin board is an excellent forum for that. I'll propose that after each reading group, a new thread dedicated to that week's topic be posted here so that the discussion can continue, particular disagreements can be hashed out more fully, etc. If it ends up going somewhere great, we can put it on the blog.

What do folks think of that?

ILISA Business :: RE: Symposium topics

author: evan
Subject: both good topics
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:48 am (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 2

I think the suggestions from Dreyfuss are both very good, and if she's clearly interested in both of them, then having her invested in the idea is a good reason to choose one of them. Those who were in the room can tell us if the suggestions were more "here's an idea, you'll have others, I'm sure" or "here's an idea that I'd really like to see done".

Like Knox, the Access to Knowledge theme is near and dear to me, and I wish we'd gotten there first, but it seems a bit of a me-too effort following Yale's conference, while the Authorship/Inventorship theme seems more novel. Of course, it may be that the Comedies of Fair Use symposium here this weekend will cover many of those issues, but at least that's not technically a Law event.

ILISA Business :: RE: READING GROUP: We want your comments

author: mgalese
Subject: Reading Group feedback
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:13 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 3

VOLUME OF READINGS
The volume was fine. We might want to provide links to better background that would be helpful. For instance, I wonder if a description of MMORPGs wouldn't have been helpful before we started going into characteristics of the Sims and such.

NUMBER OF TOPICS PER SEMESTER
I think a mix is still good, though I wouldn't mind some focus. The problem with a focus is a) boredom and b) some people just won't like that topic and thus be a bit offput for several weeks.

NUMBER OF READINGS PER SESSION
In depth analysis of an argument is more interesting, but doesn't create the same amount of disagreement. I'm unclear which is better.

LENGTH OF MEETINGS
The length is good, considering the amount of time we spend eating and talking before getting into it.

MODERATION & STRUCTURE

The moderation seems very counterproductive to discussion. Going around the room virtually assures that we'll be off topic or have multiple topics on the floor by the time it comes back around and thus really prevents detailed argument and reply on a point.

Parlimentary style discussions work when the topic of discussion is limited. They fail when there is no limitation on opening new topics of debate or discussion. When parlimentary rotation is used, it's also conventional to have speakers desirous of floor time to form up pro or con and alternate between the two. That way, even round-robining tends to keep a debate/discussion going.

However, moderation focusing comments to a few particular topics or issues at a time might tend to solve this problem. The idea would be to generate a list of different issues presented by the subject, always increasing, and move more systematically through them either as people get tired of them or as time allows. This would seem to work better than, or at least with, the assumption that one person gets to decide who talks and when.

ILISA Business :: RE: Symposium topics

author: mgalese
Subject: International Intellectual Property
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:01 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 2

This is a bit unpolished (given my capture by admin studying), but I've been thinking about the virtue of a discussion on the international character of intellectual property law.

I've been wondering how much room there is now, or in the future, for domestic variation in intellectual property regulations and protections. Historically, how have countries dealt with substantial differences? How is that changing? Where is it going? Are certain viewpoints being lost in a movement.

The nice thing here is that we could leverage NYU's superior international law community while building up the tech law community.

ILISA Business :: Symposium topics

author: kmcilwain
Subject: Symposium topics
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:28 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 2

Goal: a really cool tech-law symposium in the spring that brings speakers we want to hear to the school, demonstrates student commitment to tech-law at NYU, and let's the rest of the world know that NYU still has an IP program.

Ideally, the topic would be one that fits within the scopes of both Engelberg Center on Innovation Policy (competition, patent, antitrust, etc.) and the Information Law Institute (digital information).

The two topics already proposed are:

Access to Knowledge: This appears to be a growing movement (see Yale's recent A2K conference, and the Access2Knowledge initiative), kind of an evolution of a topic close to my heart, Open Access.

Authorship and Inventorship. These concepts serve as the foundation of the copyright and patent (respectively) legal regimes, and have continued to evolve over time. This might be a bit more metaphysical (more than the normal level of metaphysics in IP) or philosophical a topic.

So what do you think?

ILISA Business :: RE: Dream Team

author: kmcilwain
Subject: Outside Advice
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:19 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 12

Here's the advice I've gotten from various sources:

Fred Von Lohman from the EFF is apparently looking to teach. He argued Grokster, and has been at the forefront of many of the cases and battles we study. Anyone who saw him in Radin's Internet Commerce class can attest to the fact that he is a great speaker and teacher. This would be a real coup.

Tony Reese: A co-author of Radin's Internet Law text book, and a visiting prof. here next year (teaching Digital Copyright) on a look-see (the term of art for a teaching job interview). He is currently at U TX and is looking to move up.

David R. Johnson: A recently retired partner from Wilmer Cutler, he is currently teaching at New York Law School. He was involved in drafting the ICANN contracts, and apparently is great on the whole private ordering debate.

Susan Crawford: A professor at Cardozo, Crawford in a member of the ICANN board, and big on networks and net-neutrality. She is a younger prof., and not yet tenured (I think)

Barton Beebe: A professor at (Cardozo and a TM hot-shot. He is also has a PhD in linguistics, and it big on semiotics.

ILISA Business :: Techlaw Classes NYU Should Offer

author: kmcilwain
Subject: Techlaw Classes NYU Should Offer
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:27 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 0

Justice League Activate! Form of a Law School with Tech-Law Classes.

As Tim mentioned, law schools seem to be responsive to students' requests for classes, if student interest can be demonstrated. So let's go out and find good classes offered by NYU and other schools that should be taught next year and thereafter.

Whenever possible, try and get ahold of syllabi. If you don�t know anyone at the school, try contacting a local tech-law student group and asking them to help you get a sylabus. Also, remember to get a list of texts and other materials used in class.

Once we get a good cross section of classes, we can vote on which to focus on, and then get petition support for offering them.

ILISA Business :: RE: Which host should we use?

author: evan
Subject: The ILI Server That Was
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:51 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 4

OK, I'm convinced that Dreamhost is the style if we're buying shared hosting, but now there's a wrinkle in the plan. This dude has reminded Helen that there's a server out there with ILI's name on it. Specifically it's a PIII box that is "presently located in CAT, and is running Debian "sarge"". I wish that meant something to me, but all I get is Old Linux Box Of Indeterminate Origin. Apparently it used to live under Yochai Benkler's desk for a few months way back when, but I couldn't find CAT with a map and a bag of chips.

Do we want this? Martin has said he'd be willing to co-admin it and that's apparently very easy. Anyone else want join him in bootstrapping us to slightly-1337 status?

My lay opinion is that we don't actually need to do anything that standard PHP/MySQL hosting won't let us do, and we don't need the hassle of physical maintenance. So unless this thing is co-located and someone else wants to play Ruby On Rails with Martin, I say we politely decline, hit up ILI for the $8/month, and get Kurt a referral fee from Dreamhost.

How say we all?

ILISA Business :: RE: ILISA on the Web!

author: evan
Subject: that's the plan
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:22 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 6

I agree that a portal is necessary, I just didn't want to break ground on it until the hosting was sorted (and I'm lazy, and it's finals time, etc). It is certainly bullshit to be flitting about from URL to URL, or at best bookmark to bookmark. Also, much love to Kurt, but starting everything with http://kurtm.net/itclg/ does not rep who we be.

I'm anticipating the move date for everything as June 1st. Once we've got space, then we should definitely do some mockups, June is a good time for that. We want to have something presentable and informative when the new 1Ls start poking around in July.

Locking the forum is fine with me, but I'm less sure about the wiki. Locking edits, maybe, but the info being accessible to all seems useful to me.

ILISA Business :: RE: ILISA on the Web!

author: aaronw
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:14 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 6

I can lock down the forum to registered users only and make registration admin-approved with the press of two buttons if that's what we want.

ILISA Business :: RE: READING GROUP: We want your comments

author: aaronw
Subject: Re: READING GROUP: We want your comments
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:10 pm (GMT 0)
Topic Replies: 3

VOLUME OF READINGS
I think that 40 pages is a decent average.

NUMBER OF TOPICS PER SEMESTER
I'm happy with a topic per session - if we want to keep discussion lively and encourage fresh faces to show, we should probably keep rotating, IMO. Of course, we could always revisit different aspects of topics we've covered in the past, but I don't think we're skipping around too much as it is.

NUMBER OF READINGS PER SESSION
I like the approach of having something relatively comprehensive and then some optional readings with different viewpoints.

LENGTH OF MEETINGS
2 hours is cool.

MODERATION & STRUCTURE
Moderation is good. People should write down their ideas and bring them up in their next turn if they need to respond to what someone said.